WWII brought with it experimentation.
An excuse. Sadly I am not at all surprised by the thought process at them time. They were prisoners, why shouldn't they use them. They were the very people that, if released, wouldn't hesitate to kill them.
At the same time, I find myself to be ashamed of the situation as a whole. Who would have thought so many advances would have come from this time period because of the thought process. A time where "doctors and scientists looked for areas where 'informed consent' could be manipulated."
The corruption with in the United States prison astonishes me. They might not be innocent, but they are still people. It's sick to think that doctors that are supposed to be helping these people instead take advantage of the fact that they are helpless and easy to observe for their own personal gains.
The comparison of humans to chimpanzees show how the doctors value human life and the dehumanization that was occurring on American soil. Much like that of the Nazi doctors. Not only that, but the price at which these prisoners are willing to sell themselves for is sad. A pack of cigarettes could bribe a man into selling his body to "science."
The reasoning found by doctors in America, seems to run parallel to that of the Nazi doctors. "... Prisoners remained ... vulnerable to promises of remission which quite overwhelmed rational judgement in much he same way that a threat would."
I think they went to far, especially with testing on children and the mentally handicapped. I can't believe that they would think that would be okay, where were the parents? This doesn't make sense to me. Even worse, where were the parents of these poor innocent babies? Especially the mentally handicapped babies. What kind of parent would allow for their children to be injected with radioactive materials? That's just sick!
The lack of professionalism within these studies confuses me. If the doctors justification is that they are gaining knowledge and furthering science, then why omit the deaths and the negatives of these experiments. If throwing away their findings and pretending like they never happened, how then are they to learn and further science?
I can't understand how the public could be okay and turn the other way when it came to experiments that were hurting people and harming others. But with this, they start caring, and want to put a stop to it when they were being lied to. Don't get me wrong I'm happy that they aren't allowed to withhold information, but I find it to be a little sickening that so many people at the time, and possibly even now, could have let this kind of thing continue on for so long.
Humans are not guinea-pigs.
Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Pox Party 309-353 "Race is Only Skin Deep"
Race is Only Skin Deep
In this final chapter of Octavian Nothing, Race discriminition is shown at an even greater intensity then in later parts of the book. When talking about African American slaves fighting on the sides of the revolution it shows how the thinking process was back then as the slaves themselves were not rewarded for serving there soon to be country but there owners were. This is interesting that more slaves did'nt run away from the revolution and onto the side of the red coats where if victorious they would be granted there freedom. This to me in some ways shows just how scarred slaves were of there owners and just how much a master mintality they had burned into these men thoughs. Its also suprising how a man like Octavian who is well educated and aware of all this still stands and fights regardless that he is fighting to keep the way of life he knows, one that will keep him a slave instead of granting him freedom.
When Octavian is imprisoned we learn much of how he thinks and what he thinks about the world around him.On page 316, Octavian says that even when he is thrown into imprisonment with no light he is still black and that is why the whites still beat him. He also comes to learn and like the feeling of shakles and cuffs on him, saying he preferes it to being able to freely walk because its a constant reminder of how good the freedom felt. This is also in my opinion a good analogy of Octavians life as he has always been locked up but because of the way he was brough up it was sometimes not always obvious.
The conversations and moments Octavian and his other imprisoned revolutioners showed how there respect for one another grew as the days did as well. The more tired they grew the less they cared about ones color and more about the basics of surviorship such as food , heat, and friendship. The whites and blacks no longer ate seperate or sat at different fires, there shared struggles brough them closer togther and helped a small bridge of unity form. This was also seen with Octavian and Mr. G-ing his former leader as they would commanly play music togther and talk with one another. This just goes to show that when there is no time to hate someone you begin to see there was never a reason to do so.
Devon Wright
In this final chapter of Octavian Nothing, Race discriminition is shown at an even greater intensity then in later parts of the book. When talking about African American slaves fighting on the sides of the revolution it shows how the thinking process was back then as the slaves themselves were not rewarded for serving there soon to be country but there owners were. This is interesting that more slaves did'nt run away from the revolution and onto the side of the red coats where if victorious they would be granted there freedom. This to me in some ways shows just how scarred slaves were of there owners and just how much a master mintality they had burned into these men thoughs. Its also suprising how a man like Octavian who is well educated and aware of all this still stands and fights regardless that he is fighting to keep the way of life he knows, one that will keep him a slave instead of granting him freedom.
When Octavian is imprisoned we learn much of how he thinks and what he thinks about the world around him.On page 316, Octavian says that even when he is thrown into imprisonment with no light he is still black and that is why the whites still beat him. He also comes to learn and like the feeling of shakles and cuffs on him, saying he preferes it to being able to freely walk because its a constant reminder of how good the freedom felt. This is also in my opinion a good analogy of Octavians life as he has always been locked up but because of the way he was brough up it was sometimes not always obvious.
The conversations and moments Octavian and his other imprisoned revolutioners showed how there respect for one another grew as the days did as well. The more tired they grew the less they cared about ones color and more about the basics of surviorship such as food , heat, and friendship. The whites and blacks no longer ate seperate or sat at different fires, there shared struggles brough them closer togther and helped a small bridge of unity form. This was also seen with Octavian and Mr. G-ing his former leader as they would commanly play music togther and talk with one another. This just goes to show that when there is no time to hate someone you begin to see there was never a reason to do so.
Devon Wright
Bad Medicine
Reading through this selection, I noticed the phrase "greater good", which many people including doctors, government officials and the general public itself use to justify their action. As described in the reading, one of the largest experiments that were conducted was under the supervision of the Federal government. Many of these experiments were also done in local communities with the approval of state governments. Yet, no one questions the ethical consequences of these decisions. Many things shocked me when it came to the risks that came along with these tests. How can you validate the basic rights of the mentally sick individuals, and put their life in danger in the name of science? How could they claim they received the consent of these people while acknowledging they are unable to even make a rational decision.
It even got worse when I learned that infants who are as young as one month, are put to the test and injected with radioactive compounds that are basically killing them slowly.
This practice does not only validate their rights as American under the constitution, but it is an abomination to every right as a human being. The bigger horror of these stories is the lack of knowledge of the public, and the refusal of many people to ignore the facts and live in complete ignorance of what's happening around them. It makes me think, did humanity even exist during that time? Was the suffering and the killing of these people under the shield of "greater good" worth it?
Going back to the Pox Party, and what the college of lucidity have done to Octavian and his mother, I noticed that the "mad doctor"theme is not hidden, or feared. Instead, it is supported by the high social elites and governments who are in control, in order to gain more dominance and knowledge under the name of science for their "greater good".
It even got worse when I learned that infants who are as young as one month, are put to the test and injected with radioactive compounds that are basically killing them slowly.
This practice does not only validate their rights as American under the constitution, but it is an abomination to every right as a human being. The bigger horror of these stories is the lack of knowledge of the public, and the refusal of many people to ignore the facts and live in complete ignorance of what's happening around them. It makes me think, did humanity even exist during that time? Was the suffering and the killing of these people under the shield of "greater good" worth it?
Going back to the Pox Party, and what the college of lucidity have done to Octavian and his mother, I noticed that the "mad doctor"theme is not hidden, or feared. Instead, it is supported by the high social elites and governments who are in control, in order to gain more dominance and knowledge under the name of science for their "greater good".
The Compelling Ending To Pox Party
As I was reading this section I am forced to think about the meaning of the events through this portion of the novel. I found that in this part of the Pox Party was the climatic scene/ happy ending to the story, although in many ways this was not a happy ending because Dr. Treifus foreshadowed a dark ending to their get away. But before I get ahead of myself I should explain what I believe happened, Octavian is caught by men and brought to the University where he is to wait shackled and starving to see what his punishment may be. After a while a boy retrieves Octavian for Mr. Sharp, Dr. Triefus, and Mr. Gitney to have a meeting with him. In this meeting Mr. Sharp is the main speaker subjecting Octavian to his point of view of slavery and his feelings toward letting his slaves free. While this happens Mr. Sharp and Mr. Gitney are served tea from Dr. Triefus which is poisoned and in return both men die. In which time Dr. Treifus and Octavian run away. From class discussion I am wondering what was going on in the mind of Mr. Gitney, as I had said above Mr. Sharp was the main speaker and Mr. Gitney did not have very much to say. I am forced to believe that this is due to his overwhelming feelings for Octavian. Through out the novel many individuals have taken Octavian under their wing so to speak and that is a main theme in this part and throughout. From Bono to Octavian's mother, from General Ev to Mr. Gitney, and finally Dr. Treifus. Remarkably in this time period most of the individuals are white men which is unheard of for a whit male to look out for a slave. What can we infer about this men, are they just compassionate or is their something special about Octavian? This was definitely my favorite part of the novel and I have a lot of respect for this book and author. This novel has made me think critically through out.
Pages 309-353
So far into the novel, the interview Octavian had with Mr. Gitney, Dr. Trefusis and Mr. Sharpe has made me feel the most emotion. Liberty has always been a recurring theme but during this interview does it really come to question. Mr. Sharpe explained to Octavian, "...we do not believe in slavery any more than you. We would abolish it, if we could. I wold free you and the others tomorrow, if I could... But you must understand, there is an epense for everything... To manumit you, I would have to pay a bond... grievously expensive..." I felt the same furiousness as Octavian during this conversation. He had every right to question the men's libertarian beliefs, especially after they told him his 'recent progress' had only just proved the inferiority of the African race. Throughout this so-called interview, Mr. Gitney remains fairly quiet. I would just like to know exactly what Mr. Gitney is feeling towards Octavian. Is it remorse for the boy's treatment, or perhaps achievement for the experiment's outcome? With only a little of the novel left, I also question how Octavian will end his relationships with these three men. He's obviously infuriated during this particular conversation, so will he never succumb to their beliefs that his enslavement actually helped the nation as a whole?
Kendal W.
Kendal W.
There are many different aspect of
this novel that struck me in different ways. Typically when people are used for
an experiment, they volunteer. However in every piece we have talked about thus
far in the class, each subject has been used without their own consent. In this
case of Octavian, I find it personally troubling that a young child was
enslaved. At this moment in the piece it
becomes obvious that people are following Octavian around very closely, but it
is hard to tell if they truly care about the young boy, or “Octavian” his
label. They begin to get more intrigued with every single thing he does. The
thoughts get deeper into what is behind Octavian’s silence, what goes through
his brain, why does he wander off and what’s he doing? Questions such as “What do you desire?”
trigger more in-depth questions that allow for interpretation of how he
processes the world. Taking what is
going on in his life, Octavian begins to question what his purpose is in life.
He realizes a moment that he does not know his mother’s name, for she was given
“a label” also. Thus the questions and
thoughts have aroused of what his lineage is. However what I feel is the ironic
part of all this is that Octavian is fighting for the opposing force.
At this
moment in time, my deepest questions are where is Octavian going to end up, and
does he discover his purpose, and does he ever figure out his mother’s name.
Bryan R's post, posted by Dr. Renzi on his behalf.
The Pox Party 309-353 "The Perspective of Color"
The Pox Party 309-353
The Perspective of Color
Throughout this final section of Octavian Nothing, the
theme of Freedom was most apparent. Mr. Gitney and Mr. Sharpe’s idea of freedom
is in the idea of economic freedom. They believe to be truly free one must be
able to go about his business unimpeded by government and respect private
property. This leads to their support of the revolutionary army that respects
slave ownership. Thus Gitney and Sharpe do not believe African slaves to be
men, but private property. However, why are they classified as private property
when they share the same physical characteristics such as a beating heart, and
a learning brain. The hypocritical teaching to Octavian by Mr. Gitney on page
316 further supports the unfairness in the classification of the slaves as
property. Mr. Gitney teaches Octavian that color is only the perception of the
brain and not a physical characteristic. However, Octavian is still classified
as black and his masters are white.
During Octavian’s final interview, Mr. Sharpe explains
that if blacks were free society would collapse, and that living under slavery
was for the greater good. However, the freeing of slaves would destroy the
economic ability of men like Mr. Sharpe and Mr. Gitney. In turn, one can relate
to their support of the rebels as not directly supporting the pursuit of
freedom, but keeping their status quo of economic freedom in their business
model that is under threat of change due to the abolition of slavery in
Britain.
Dr. Trefusis further un-clouds the hypocrisy of the idea
of freedom the early revolutionaries were fighting for by explaining why
Octavian would be hung when caught. Octavian’s retaliation is no different from
the colonies rebellion against the crown. Why is one considered treason and the other a necessary act against the interference of tyrants? "It is all an illusion of the eye, and event in the perceiver's mind, not in the object" (316)
Andrew Stefanick
Gitney House of Horror
Comparing the medical madmen in the texts we've been reading so far, I started wondering about which madman had done the most "damage". Knox had in a way encouraged the murders for bodies from Burke and Hare, Frankenstein abandoned his most precious creation and left him for dead, and Jekyll chose his "better half" over friends and his normal life. But when reading the Pox Party, it hit me of how much Octavian had went through. His whole life he was told to be devoid of emotion and to see things from an observational standpoint, he was never given the chance to be a child, or even a human for that matter. He was a specimen for results and slave work. Octavian did not even know his mother's name. When Octavian joined the Americans in the war he finally felt how it was to have someone actually care about him, he began to experience these emotions that he had never fully been able to embrace before. Perhaps Private Goring saving his life gave Octavian this realization that he was more than just an experiment, he was a human being with value to his life. After reading through this story and watching Octavian be used as a token, watching his mother die from a Pox Party in the Gitney house, then being able to escape; I saw the development of someone who had been under lock and key their whole life. I realized from the Pox Party just how damaging the experiment had been on Octavian. I concluded that the medical madmen in the house of Gitney had done the most damage out of all the madmen we have gone through so far in our texts. They prevented someone from being a human, from living the life they were given. It took Octavian doing hard labor for the Americans side, to crack a smile. It was hard work for Octavian, but HE had chosen to do that work. Not because someone else had made him do it, but it was because he wanted to. Then he only ended up back in that horrible place he had escaped from. That instance was when it all hit me, of how such experimentation and twisted hierarchy could make a human being feel as though they had no worth. The Gitney House withheld the horrors of stealing a human life, both mentally and physically.
Krista Stites
Krista Stites
Bad Medicine
I knew about some of the human experiments that were conducted in the past, however, it still did not help me from getting extremely disturbed by the historical facts revealed in the reading. While reading the descriptions of the experiments as well as the reasoning behind those cruel experiments, what the College of Lucidity in Pox Party was doing made more sense. There were many inhumane practices that were illustrated in the novel that were described in the reading. Such examples include conducting experiments on mentally handicapped, omitting "unfavorable details," notion of "greater goods," lack of informed consent, and forcefulness of obtaining experimental subjects. Tuskegee Syphilis experiment was one of the experiments that was guilty of committing most, if not all, of the mentioned practices discussed in the reading. The victims, or subjects, of the Tuskegee experiment were deceived, lied, and plainly observed while they were suffering and dying. In addition, it mentioned that the funding cut was the main reason behind not properly treating the subjects. These things highly overlapped with what went on in Pox Party, suggesting how common of a practice harmful human experimentations were in recent history.
As I was reading, I was horrified how horrendous these "scientific" experiments were, but at the same time, it raised a question of how to determine what is cruel and inhumane, and what is not. As stated in the reading, main population were incapable of fully understanding what these experiments meant, letting scientists and doctors get away with their actions. The immorality of human experimentation without consent is very clear to us now, but it was not back in the day. It makes me wonder how much scientific experiments, policies, and incentives we accept as "norm" and "better for the society" are actually very harmful and cruel, just as the human experiments. We may simply be led to believe that there is no other ways, or simply deprived of "unfavorable details" about what is actually happening around us in the society, letting some people get away from their responsibilities. It is a scary thought that there are plenty of cruelty going on without anyone actually noticing that it is, in fact, a cruelty.
As I was reading, I was horrified how horrendous these "scientific" experiments were, but at the same time, it raised a question of how to determine what is cruel and inhumane, and what is not. As stated in the reading, main population were incapable of fully understanding what these experiments meant, letting scientists and doctors get away with their actions. The immorality of human experimentation without consent is very clear to us now, but it was not back in the day. It makes me wonder how much scientific experiments, policies, and incentives we accept as "norm" and "better for the society" are actually very harmful and cruel, just as the human experiments. We may simply be led to believe that there is no other ways, or simply deprived of "unfavorable details" about what is actually happening around us in the society, letting some people get away from their responsibilities. It is a scary thought that there are plenty of cruelty going on without anyone actually noticing that it is, in fact, a cruelty.
The Pox Party p. 309-353
Octavian spend a significant amount of time in this last section reflecting on the concept of existence. He begins this train of thought when he is bound so thoroughly in chains and a mask that he cannot move and is left alone in a dark room. He did not move for so long that he became numb to all feeling. The floor, his chains, his own body: all seemed to exist in a different way than before. Octavian described it as "substance returned to its original unity." He seemed to feel his own existence as one and the same as the existence of other matter around him. This emphasizes his feeling, which has grown throughout the novel, that he is not his own person. He exists, but is not independent and under his own control.
As the story progresses to the end of the novel, Octavian's thoughts turn from simply existing to the idea of existing in a state of freedom. Situations that had seemed like punishment before, such as standing in place and holding stacks of books, began to seem like freedom from his new perspective. This really shows how objective the concept of freedom is. At this point in the novel, Octavian longed only to be able to move and stretch his arms out wide.
In Octavian's final interactions with Mr. Sharpe, he has an intense discussion about liberty and what that word actually entails. Mr. Sharpe claims to believe in liberty and freedom but not in its importance over other costs. He is unwilling to make sacrifices in order to provide freedom, even though he still claims to be a proponent. Octavian rightly argues that this is hipocrisy. This final argument between the two envelopes the entire reason that Octavian and Mr. Sharpe are so different. Octavian believes in human rights, freedoms, and liberties. Mr. Sharpe may claim to believe in these things, but he certainly does not act upon these beliefs because he is unwilling to make the necessary sacrifices. Mr. Sharpe is willing to make sacrifices and excuses for his studies but not for the basic rights of human beings under his power.
As the story progresses to the end of the novel, Octavian's thoughts turn from simply existing to the idea of existing in a state of freedom. Situations that had seemed like punishment before, such as standing in place and holding stacks of books, began to seem like freedom from his new perspective. This really shows how objective the concept of freedom is. At this point in the novel, Octavian longed only to be able to move and stretch his arms out wide.
In Octavian's final interactions with Mr. Sharpe, he has an intense discussion about liberty and what that word actually entails. Mr. Sharpe claims to believe in liberty and freedom but not in its importance over other costs. He is unwilling to make sacrifices in order to provide freedom, even though he still claims to be a proponent. Octavian rightly argues that this is hipocrisy. This final argument between the two envelopes the entire reason that Octavian and Mr. Sharpe are so different. Octavian believes in human rights, freedoms, and liberties. Mr. Sharpe may claim to believe in these things, but he certainly does not act upon these beliefs because he is unwilling to make the necessary sacrifices. Mr. Sharpe is willing to make sacrifices and excuses for his studies but not for the basic rights of human beings under his power.
Charecteristics of Freedom: Context
This particular section of the book is filled with insights on "freedom" and what it truly means to be "free." These charecteristics are not limited to slavery, age, race or color, however are more dramatic in some cases depending on the circumstnaces.
In the beggining of the book, leading up to the pages where Octavian is no longer bound by the house of Gitney, the charecters were identified as numbers. These charecters have histories, emotions, backgrounds, and cultural diversity from one another; they lack the freedom of identity only in that they are identified by the symbol of numbers as opposed to the symbol of words (names). In a way Octavian is given the freedom of identity through symbolism (his name as opposed to a number) however is denied any real freedom of identity due to the fact that he has been completely socialized by the members of the house. As we see Octavian leave the house he is given the ability to establish his own ideas and actions, while retaining the same symbol of identification. People ask about his upbrining, his culture, his values and so on. We see Octavian develop immensely over these chapters as he explores a new "freedom" of life. We can infer that because the symbol of Octavians identification has not changed, however the freedom portrayed has, that freedom is not based on the symbols of society rather the context that those symbols reside in.
Context is all too important in regards to freedom. The way it is shown, spoken, and interpreted. Many countries that are far less strict in legistation, taxation, and citizens rights are not considered "free" countries, yet exercise much more "true freedom" than the United States; the greatest free country in the world. This is because in the context of democracy America is technically a free country, yet we have displayed far less evidence of being "free" than some areas of the world. We can create this double standard by associating freedom with democracy, aka slaves denied the freedom of any sort of normal life, yet still retaining the ability to be a free-country with the signing of a democratic piece of legislation. Even though a large part of the population was enslaved and denied any freedom, the country is still free because it falls into the context of free-democracy. Freedom is only a symbol, and the context in which that symbol is placed is directly related to how "free" a being or group really is.
In the beggining of the book, leading up to the pages where Octavian is no longer bound by the house of Gitney, the charecters were identified as numbers. These charecters have histories, emotions, backgrounds, and cultural diversity from one another; they lack the freedom of identity only in that they are identified by the symbol of numbers as opposed to the symbol of words (names). In a way Octavian is given the freedom of identity through symbolism (his name as opposed to a number) however is denied any real freedom of identity due to the fact that he has been completely socialized by the members of the house. As we see Octavian leave the house he is given the ability to establish his own ideas and actions, while retaining the same symbol of identification. People ask about his upbrining, his culture, his values and so on. We see Octavian develop immensely over these chapters as he explores a new "freedom" of life. We can infer that because the symbol of Octavians identification has not changed, however the freedom portrayed has, that freedom is not based on the symbols of society rather the context that those symbols reside in.
Context is all too important in regards to freedom. The way it is shown, spoken, and interpreted. Many countries that are far less strict in legistation, taxation, and citizens rights are not considered "free" countries, yet exercise much more "true freedom" than the United States; the greatest free country in the world. This is because in the context of democracy America is technically a free country, yet we have displayed far less evidence of being "free" than some areas of the world. We can create this double standard by associating freedom with democracy, aka slaves denied the freedom of any sort of normal life, yet still retaining the ability to be a free-country with the signing of a democratic piece of legislation. Even though a large part of the population was enslaved and denied any freedom, the country is still free because it falls into the context of free-democracy. Freedom is only a symbol, and the context in which that symbol is placed is directly related to how "free" a being or group really is.
The Pox Party 309-353
I feel as if Octavian has gone though several transformations while going through this book. He seems to go from free, to bonded, back to freedom, and back into a life of bondage throughout the course of the book. In the last part his bondage becomes less symbolic and more "real" when he is actually locked and chained up in Mr. Gitney's house. He is also able to understand the idea of freedom through death. Especially in the case of Hosiah Lister. There is an interesting comparison that can be made between the plight of the slaves and the plight of the American Colonies. He refers to "the cost of liberty being so hostile" (Kindle location 3609) in both reference to Hosiah receiving his freedom as well as the American's trying to receive theirs, all the while keeping the African's in bondage.
Henry Weyand
Henry Weyand
Monday, February 25, 2013
The Pox Party (pg 309-353): Comparing "Mad Doctors"
Earlier in class we compared some of the events in this novel to Frankenstein, however, after finishing the book, I think that Mr. Sharpe has much more in common with a different mad doctor. I felt like his "madness," actions, and consequences most closely related to Dr. Knox, from Burke and Hare. I think one of the biggest similarities is that the actions that they took, which seem very controversial and morally wrong from today's perspective, were much more acceptable within the context of the time periods in which their stories take place. In society today people would easily agree that slavery and subjecting slaves to experimentation and doing anatomical studies on graverobbed and murdered bodies is very reprehensible and wrong, but in the time periods in which these stories take place, people tended to look the other way or openly accept these practices. This differs from Dr. Jekyll and Dr. Frankenstein's experiments, which were much more fictional and shocking regardless of the time periods.
Another connection between Sharpe and Knox was the severity of their consequences. Whereas Jekyll and Frankenstein were tormented by their creations to an extreme that caused them to go crazy, Sharpe and Knox seem to have gotten away with their actions. Knox and Sharpe may have ended up with tarnished reputations, and Sharpe gets drugged, they avoid jail time and more serious consequences. Both stories also ended with me questioning what happens next for these characters. Would they ever attempt similar experiments again? Would they ever truly have to pay for their awful actions?
Emily Smith
A Breath of Fresh Air
In this section the entire world of the book appears to have changed both literally and figuratively for the “Prince”. In this section Octavian ventures out into the real world, and for the first time in his life he is free of the house of Gitney. He also meets, seemingly for the first time in his life, non-racist white people. This is a huge shift from the small house hold where all he ever knew was experimentation and expectations for every answer he ever gave. Now with Evidence Goring it seems he has found something he never really knew, at least never in someone white, someone who cares for him. Where do these new characters come from? Why do most of them seem to not be complete racists like the rest of the characters?
In this chapter he fights for freedom from Britain. This is also ironically the country that set their own slaves free. So why does he fight on the side of peoples who have done him so much wrong? Is he fighting for his new friends? He risked his own life to save a man of his company or was that act really an act of attempted suicide, or both?
In the army he is still treated differently by some such as when they put him on the work detail nonstop but by many he is treated like we would expect a human being to be treated, they care where he’s from, they let him listen to his own choice in music, and even encourage him to buy his own new clothes. Will any of this kindness be enough to effect the scale in the slightest bit when compared to the over whelming experiences he has been through?
Phil Rowe Blog Post 1
We find Octavian fresh off running away and dealing with the real world away from his recently passed mother. The story brings letters to our attention about Octavian from those who have come across him. Some of the quotes that I would like to look at is one by Ev. "Wary, in faith because of his dusky skin". I would like to ask why one would be concerned with ones faith because of their skin. Dusky pointing towards Octavian being black, yet is he wary about Octavian's religious faith or faith in trusting him? This would be in line with the time of racism and untrust towards anyone with different skin or different qualities other than white. Though others find positive qualities in Octavian such as tracking, following, and protection. Private Goring goes on to say "He builds for freedom, and this is his grim and unsmiling grim". Private Goring points out that no matter Ocatavian's efforts to rebuild and gain respect he will not find that in the time period he is living in.
Reading through I created an equation to look at the entire interaction between Octavian and those who he interacts with.
(Substance/Form) = (Human/Intelligence) = (White/Black)
Looking at this one would see that one can be substance, yet will be divided up by his intellegence. One can be human yet will be divided by being black. Yet as long as one has substance, is human, and is white they will survive and be better. Yet it does not matter if they show form or have intelligence.
Reading through I created an equation to look at the entire interaction between Octavian and those who he interacts with.
(Substance/Form) = (Human/Intelligence) = (White/Black)
Looking at this one would see that one can be substance, yet will be divided up by his intellegence. One can be human yet will be divided by being black. Yet as long as one has substance, is human, and is white they will survive and be better. Yet it does not matter if they show form or have intelligence.
In this reading there are letters of the different
experiences with Octavian. Those that come in counter with him think
that he?s mute; they call him Prince since he does not speak to them and
won?t answer any of his questions. But why do they take him in and let
him fight the Redcoats with them? Do they think that he is a runaway
slave and therefore he is fighting with them so that he can gain some
type of independence? I find it nice that Private Goring takes a liking
to Prince and he even saves his life during a battle. This shows that
during the times there are people who feel there is value for the
African life and they don?t think they are disposable. Since Goring
befriended him he didn?t really dig deeply into if he was free or
enslaved but at the end of the reading Octavian is captured and
returned. They bring him back in chained since he was hostile when he
left but I wonder how they will treat him now that he is back in their
possession.
Jenifer Waites
posted by Dr. Renzi on her behalf
Jenifer Waites
posted by Dr. Renzi on her behalf
For Freedom: Pages 240-308
This section takes place just after the death and dissection of Octavian's mother; when he has run away from The College of Lucidity to gain some greater semblance of freedom. Mr. Gitney and Mr. Sharpe advertize for his capture, and his wandering story is told through the letters of farmers and Patriots.
The first letter was written by a farmer called Mr. Tolley, who alerted Mr. Gitney to Octavian's brief presence in his smokehouse. Mr. Tolley threatened Octavian with a gun, to which Octavian "...pressed his chest to the gun and closed his eyes"(241). Octavian's depression and apparent futility in life was made clear to the reader through Elijah Trolley's words; who described him as being "already dead".
After a brief stint as a vagabond, Octavian seemed to have found work as a fiddler at an Inn when he was discovered by the Patriot, Private Goring. Upon hearing Octavian play so well, he encouraged his party to take an interest in hiring the boy, and so began the adventures of Octavian the Patriot. The letters of Private Goring presented Octavian as silent, and it was clear that "...His Sadness [was] impenetrable" (255). Goring however, seemed to speak often and encouraged Octavian (or Prince, as he had come to be known) to do the same as the party of men made their way to Boston to fight the Redcoats.
Private Goring was frequently alarmed at the horrors Prince Octavian must have suffered at the hands of his former owners, especially when some small hint of his past was revealed. "'The Human Heart,' recited he bitterly as if from some damp lesson, ' is a Muscle that operates through Constriction.'...'I have seen a Heart lying on a Plate, jolted with Electricity. It had as much to say dead as alive'"(258). In this passage, Octavian illustrated that he no longer felt or wished to experience desires and feelings like a man. Rather, he had withdrawn, as Mr. Gitney might say: he had become wonderous Observant in his silence.
Throughout his letters, Goring showed an uncommon interest in Octavian, and in his letters, only the Prince's thoughts and feelings were recorded in detail. Although Octavian might apparently "...seize his Freedom by any Means"(264), the sadness which dwelled within him could not have been entirely gone, as he sought to die during the first stand against the British. Goring saved him, and Octavian and he grew much closer as Octavian endeavored to speak a little more. "I cannot imagine the peculiar Circumstances of his Life & I fear to wonder at it"(281). This is what Goring wrote after seeing Octavian teach children the anatomy and physiology of fish, which would undeniably be strange information for a slave to have.
Octavian and Goring weathered the battle of Bunker Hill, after Octavian had found a new zeal in laboring for the cause of liberty. For freedom, Octavian had become changed. He labored gladly in the cause, and used anger to fuel his work.
Unfortunately, by the end of the section, Goring unwittingly turned Octavian in to slave traders, believing him to have entered employment as a fiddler for an opera of sorts. It was interesting to read Octavian's deepest desire, before he was taken away and clapped in irons beyond the sight of Goring. Essentially, he recreated that day by the river with Lord Chelderthrope, but it was just him and "Someone Else shall play the harpsichord" (300), just like his mother might have. It was clear that Octavian had finally begun to hope again, despite the scoffing of the guards around him.
Mr. Sharpe's letter detailed the recapture of Octavian, and a letter between slave traders was included. What is most interesting, was the sharp contrast between the slave trader's letter, and Octavian's writing on page 309, although it is a page outside of the section. The trader scoffed at Octavian's dream of freedom, but could hardly write an understandable paragraph. Such a man was permitted to speak, but for Octavian, "They gave me a tounge; and then stopped it up, so they would not have to hear it crying" (309). Once again, the arrogance with which his masters treat him is readily apparent. They believe they can rob him of his mind; of the freedom of mind that they gave him.
The first letter was written by a farmer called Mr. Tolley, who alerted Mr. Gitney to Octavian's brief presence in his smokehouse. Mr. Tolley threatened Octavian with a gun, to which Octavian "...pressed his chest to the gun and closed his eyes"(241). Octavian's depression and apparent futility in life was made clear to the reader through Elijah Trolley's words; who described him as being "already dead".
After a brief stint as a vagabond, Octavian seemed to have found work as a fiddler at an Inn when he was discovered by the Patriot, Private Goring. Upon hearing Octavian play so well, he encouraged his party to take an interest in hiring the boy, and so began the adventures of Octavian the Patriot. The letters of Private Goring presented Octavian as silent, and it was clear that "...His Sadness [was] impenetrable" (255). Goring however, seemed to speak often and encouraged Octavian (or Prince, as he had come to be known) to do the same as the party of men made their way to Boston to fight the Redcoats.
Private Goring was frequently alarmed at the horrors Prince Octavian must have suffered at the hands of his former owners, especially when some small hint of his past was revealed. "'The Human Heart,' recited he bitterly as if from some damp lesson, ' is a Muscle that operates through Constriction.'...'I have seen a Heart lying on a Plate, jolted with Electricity. It had as much to say dead as alive'"(258). In this passage, Octavian illustrated that he no longer felt or wished to experience desires and feelings like a man. Rather, he had withdrawn, as Mr. Gitney might say: he had become wonderous Observant in his silence.
Throughout his letters, Goring showed an uncommon interest in Octavian, and in his letters, only the Prince's thoughts and feelings were recorded in detail. Although Octavian might apparently "...seize his Freedom by any Means"(264), the sadness which dwelled within him could not have been entirely gone, as he sought to die during the first stand against the British. Goring saved him, and Octavian and he grew much closer as Octavian endeavored to speak a little more. "I cannot imagine the peculiar Circumstances of his Life & I fear to wonder at it"(281). This is what Goring wrote after seeing Octavian teach children the anatomy and physiology of fish, which would undeniably be strange information for a slave to have.
Octavian and Goring weathered the battle of Bunker Hill, after Octavian had found a new zeal in laboring for the cause of liberty. For freedom, Octavian had become changed. He labored gladly in the cause, and used anger to fuel his work.
Unfortunately, by the end of the section, Goring unwittingly turned Octavian in to slave traders, believing him to have entered employment as a fiddler for an opera of sorts. It was interesting to read Octavian's deepest desire, before he was taken away and clapped in irons beyond the sight of Goring. Essentially, he recreated that day by the river with Lord Chelderthrope, but it was just him and "Someone Else shall play the harpsichord" (300), just like his mother might have. It was clear that Octavian had finally begun to hope again, despite the scoffing of the guards around him.
Mr. Sharpe's letter detailed the recapture of Octavian, and a letter between slave traders was included. What is most interesting, was the sharp contrast between the slave trader's letter, and Octavian's writing on page 309, although it is a page outside of the section. The trader scoffed at Octavian's dream of freedom, but could hardly write an understandable paragraph. Such a man was permitted to speak, but for Octavian, "They gave me a tounge; and then stopped it up, so they would not have to hear it crying" (309). Once again, the arrogance with which his masters treat him is readily apparent. They believe they can rob him of his mind; of the freedom of mind that they gave him.
Sunday, February 24, 2013
Octavian's Character and Private Goring- Pox Party (p. 240-308)
Prior to this place in the novel, Octavian has escaped Mr. Gitney. Mr. Gitney has made aware in the newspaper a reward for the return of Octavian as well as a strong description of Octavian's character and skills.
The next part of the story is told from various letters that tell of the strange negroe boy. The common characteristics given to him are that he doesn't speak (stupefied), covered in mud yet wearing fancy dress, and void of emotion. However he joins the army initially from his violin skill and eventually is befriended by Private Evidence Goring. Goring first shows kindness and sympathy for Octavian when the Private tells the him (page 252) that he "would sleep by the flap because hi is ill and the Water will com in & wet him." Goring also tries to understand the mannerisms and behavior of Octavian saying that he feared "he is fled from some tyrant Master" (page 254). And continues saying "He must have suffered from some great Wrong. I worry at what secret Ill he hides" (page 257). Goring is enlightened of Octavian's views on life to which Octavian doesn't seek pleasure and has a more utility view of the heart rather than emotions or feelings, as he was taught in his experimental youth.
Throughout this interaction of Octavian and his time in the army with Goring, the war continues. There are various accounts where Octavian, though he is seen to be void of emotion aside from suffering, proves himself a valiant soldier. He guides Goring through the Ford through the strong tide and again when Octavian "presented a Target so they would not fire upon John" (page 276). But as Goring states, Octavian does this as wishing to die (take the bullet) rather than as an act of heroism.
Goring notices another thing in Octavian's character, seeing that he when active is anger. He "builds for Freedom -- & this is his grim & unsmiling Joy" (page 288).
Also to note, "And in the End of Speech, we found Companionship at last" (page 298). This is a strong indicator that finally Goring understands that as Octavian suffers sorrow, he shows it with his silence.
In the end it is sad to find that Goring eventually brings Octavian to Mr. Turner, especially since Goring had the best intentions for Octavian and regarded him so well.
The next part of the story is told from various letters that tell of the strange negroe boy. The common characteristics given to him are that he doesn't speak (stupefied), covered in mud yet wearing fancy dress, and void of emotion. However he joins the army initially from his violin skill and eventually is befriended by Private Evidence Goring. Goring first shows kindness and sympathy for Octavian when the Private tells the him (page 252) that he "would sleep by the flap because hi is ill and the Water will com in & wet him." Goring also tries to understand the mannerisms and behavior of Octavian saying that he feared "he is fled from some tyrant Master" (page 254). And continues saying "He must have suffered from some great Wrong. I worry at what secret Ill he hides" (page 257). Goring is enlightened of Octavian's views on life to which Octavian doesn't seek pleasure and has a more utility view of the heart rather than emotions or feelings, as he was taught in his experimental youth.
Throughout this interaction of Octavian and his time in the army with Goring, the war continues. There are various accounts where Octavian, though he is seen to be void of emotion aside from suffering, proves himself a valiant soldier. He guides Goring through the Ford through the strong tide and again when Octavian "presented a Target so they would not fire upon John" (page 276). But as Goring states, Octavian does this as wishing to die (take the bullet) rather than as an act of heroism.
Goring notices another thing in Octavian's character, seeing that he when active is anger. He "builds for Freedom -- & this is his grim & unsmiling Joy" (page 288).
Also to note, "And in the End of Speech, we found Companionship at last" (page 298). This is a strong indicator that finally Goring understands that as Octavian suffers sorrow, he shows it with his silence.
In the end it is sad to find that Goring eventually brings Octavian to Mr. Turner, especially since Goring had the best intentions for Octavian and regarded him so well.
Liberty & Property
Pox Party pgs.240-308
We see just before this section begins that Octavian has run
away from Mr. Gitney and is on the loose; there is a poster out that details
his character and states that there will be a reward if the boy is returned.
Following this is a series of letters mainly between Private Goring and a few
others, but mostly in the words of Private Goring. These letters detail what is going on around
the battlefield and Goring specifies an acquaintance of his named Prince, which
to be honest took me quite a few letters worth of reading to figure out.
One of my questions that is unclear is which side is Prince
(Octavian) on? I know that the book is
titled “Traitor to the Nation,” however I took it as him fighting on the side
of the Patriots. So is he going to go on to be a traitor? That part was unclear
to me.
Something interesting to me is how they lured in Octavian at
the end of this section of the book. He
had been playing his music for Goring and others in his camp and word soon
spread that there was a boy who could play music, and not only simple tunes but
famous European tunes that were much more complicated. Since word traveled fast, Mr.Turner asked Private Goring about his
friend and told him that he would like his friend to come play in a band inside
the City Walls. This all happened to be a set up and on page 304 Mr. Sharpe
reveals in a letter that, “…I report the return of the fugitive slave-boy
Octavian Gitney to the fold of the Novanglian College of Lucidity.” It was all
a rouse to get Octavian back to Gitney’s.
Just before this Goring recalls an interaction with Prince
and says, “…for the first time… he smiled upon me; for he has finally found his
Cause & his Work.” (294). Just before Octavian had been returned he finally
showed some emotion, which makes his return all the more melancholy. So,
finally I raise the question… Why go through all this trouble for the return of
one “slave-boy”?
Kelly R's post, posted by Dr. Renzi on her behalf
Saturday, February 23, 2013
The Great Chain of Being: pg. 309-353
After finishing the book and reading Mr. Sharpe's final speech to Octavian, I found that there could be no title more appropriate for this section. We finally return to Octavian's perspective and learn of his treatment following his capture. Hands and feet shackled, with a mask covering his face for days on end, he maintains his rationality. While they may have physically restricted him in every way possible, they cannot prohibit his mental faculties. The audience is privileged enough to be permitted access into Octavian's thoughts during his time being chained up. He demonstrates how the very facts they taught him in his youth challenged the treatment he receives during his punishment.
pg. 316 "..they told me of color, that it was an illusion of the eye, an event in the perceiver's mind, not in the object; they told me that color had no reality...and then they imprisoned me in darkness; and though there was no color there, I still was black, and they still were white; and for that, they bound and gagged me."
These men of science claiming to be rational, unbiased, and objective are in actuality rejecting any evidence that doesn't support their desired conclusion. The experiment was never meant to be neutral, yet instead these powerful white men funding it wanted it to point to inferiority in African Americans so that they could keep possession of their slaves and have "justified" reason to do so. Once it was realized that giving Octavian the same opportunities as a white boy would result in his flourishing, Mr. Sharpe cut off his resources. He meant to skew the results by taking away what Octavian excelled at, including his studies with languages, ancient history, and music. Perhaps this is why Octavian is such a threat to Mr. Sharpe, because despite his efforts to deprive Octavian, he still pushes forward. Even with such strict restrictions, Octavian remains a glorious violinists and still possessed years of knowledge in which he absorbed tales of slaves rising up and expressing the satisfaction of freedom.
In the final few passages, following Octavian's capture and return to the house, we see that the mental chains Mr. Sharpe imposed on him were not enough and thus he shackles him up for days on end to break him down physically. Only through twisted self-serving interpretation does Mr. Sharpe manage to reflect Octavian's behavior as his failure.
p.337 "..Octavian, you have been instrumental in the effort to understand African capacities and propensities. You must understand, God has determined-" ..."-that some creatures are less, and some more, potent on this earth, and has given us the stewardship of all, according to our place in the Great Chain of Being."
In the end, as Dr. Trefusis unlocks Octavian's shackles, the "great chain of being" that Mr. Sharpe struggled so hard to maintain is shattered as he is freed both physically and figuratively. While they may have damaged Octavian, they never broke him and only physical chains could hold him back from the greatness that he displays so clearly.
pg. 316 "..they told me of color, that it was an illusion of the eye, an event in the perceiver's mind, not in the object; they told me that color had no reality...and then they imprisoned me in darkness; and though there was no color there, I still was black, and they still were white; and for that, they bound and gagged me."
These men of science claiming to be rational, unbiased, and objective are in actuality rejecting any evidence that doesn't support their desired conclusion. The experiment was never meant to be neutral, yet instead these powerful white men funding it wanted it to point to inferiority in African Americans so that they could keep possession of their slaves and have "justified" reason to do so. Once it was realized that giving Octavian the same opportunities as a white boy would result in his flourishing, Mr. Sharpe cut off his resources. He meant to skew the results by taking away what Octavian excelled at, including his studies with languages, ancient history, and music. Perhaps this is why Octavian is such a threat to Mr. Sharpe, because despite his efforts to deprive Octavian, he still pushes forward. Even with such strict restrictions, Octavian remains a glorious violinists and still possessed years of knowledge in which he absorbed tales of slaves rising up and expressing the satisfaction of freedom.
In the final few passages, following Octavian's capture and return to the house, we see that the mental chains Mr. Sharpe imposed on him were not enough and thus he shackles him up for days on end to break him down physically. Only through twisted self-serving interpretation does Mr. Sharpe manage to reflect Octavian's behavior as his failure.
p.337 "..Octavian, you have been instrumental in the effort to understand African capacities and propensities. You must understand, God has determined-" ..."-that some creatures are less, and some more, potent on this earth, and has given us the stewardship of all, according to our place in the Great Chain of Being."
In the end, as Dr. Trefusis unlocks Octavian's shackles, the "great chain of being" that Mr. Sharpe struggled so hard to maintain is shattered as he is freed both physically and figuratively. While they may have damaged Octavian, they never broke him and only physical chains could hold him back from the greatness that he displays so clearly.
A Battle for Liberty
The third section of the Pox Party deals with the historical battle of the Revolutionary war and the battle for liberty for two parties. The first is the colonists. They are fighting for their freedom from Britain, they are fighting for their Homeland. Mr. Goring describes the beauty of his Homeland and he understands what he is fighting for. The second is Octavian. He is fighting for his own liberty without any guarantees.
Throughout the entire section there is this comparison between these two battles side by side. The soldiers will fight to the death to be liberated, they fight with purpose for their country. Octavian, at first does not know what he is fighting for. He already has the feeling of nothingness, but as he helps his company during the war he begins to develop more of a sense of purpose. They do not treat him as an experiment, they treat him as a friend. As both of these battles continue, there seems to be hope that the colonies are taking their land back from the British, but Octavian seems to have lost his liberty again when he is taken back to the college by Mr. Sharpe and chained with shackles. Now, Octavian has never been so enslaved before.
These two parallels are interesting to see. They are both fighting for a liberty that have so many similarities and yet they are seen as very different.
Sincerely,
Bri Waldie
Throughout the entire section there is this comparison between these two battles side by side. The soldiers will fight to the death to be liberated, they fight with purpose for their country. Octavian, at first does not know what he is fighting for. He already has the feeling of nothingness, but as he helps his company during the war he begins to develop more of a sense of purpose. They do not treat him as an experiment, they treat him as a friend. As both of these battles continue, there seems to be hope that the colonies are taking their land back from the British, but Octavian seems to have lost his liberty again when he is taken back to the college by Mr. Sharpe and chained with shackles. Now, Octavian has never been so enslaved before.
These two parallels are interesting to see. They are both fighting for a liberty that have so many similarities and yet they are seen as very different.
Sincerely,
Bri Waldie
Conflicting Perspectives [The Pox Party | 240-308]
Throughout the third section of The Pox Party, titled Liberty & Property, the ideals of freedom versus ownership are addressed among letters written mostly by a Private fighting for freedom. At this point in the book, Octavian has run away from the college in a horrified state. His mother has just passed away from a terrible case of the pox and he is feeling more and more as nothing of importance.
Early on in Octavian's life he believed he was intelligent and had worth. His beliefs changed quickly upon learning his new place as a slave. Once others started voicing Octavian's little worth to him, Octavian started to believe he was nothing. Throughout the pages 240-308, many people interact with Octavian with very different perspectives regarding freedom and lack there of. How is it that Octavian's own self respect fluctuates with outside opinions, early on in his life?
Even through all of Octavian's studies, knowledge and great intelligence, Octavian still belittle's himself. This is the sad case of slavery and racism. However, while Octavian is on the run he interacts with others who feel for him and see his worth. On page 241, a woman farmer tells Octavian there is no work for him, but shows sympathy due to his "gaping and simple-looking" physical state. Octavian knows he is intelligent and deep down knows that people who treat him terribly are wrong. However, his personal intelligence is masked by slavery and color, therefore other's see him as nothing. Another scene in the book, page 243, a man is standing with a gun on Octavian's chest. He states that Octavian was "dead already....there was flatness in this boy and gray; he was already dead." Octavian continues to encounter white people who have no care to see Octavian as a person. Here, brings me to believe that others see Octavian as a quiet and dumb nothing, who doesn't even have worth to keep living. These interactions keep Octavian believing he is nothing. When Octavian meets Private Goring, he encounters a positive perspective towards all people deserving freedom. (On page 252: when Private Goring agrees to take Octavian in to provide guidance and safety) In contrast, on page 308, a very uneducated slave catcher recites his thoughts on returning Octavian to Mr. Sharpe. This letter shows the evilness of racism and slavery and how a very uneducated person can be so evil to another human being, solely because his white skin gives him priority over color and bondage.
How does Octavian's own perspective of himself change throughout the text and how does other's opinions typically affect Octavian's own views of self worth?
-Amelia Richards
Early on in Octavian's life he believed he was intelligent and had worth. His beliefs changed quickly upon learning his new place as a slave. Once others started voicing Octavian's little worth to him, Octavian started to believe he was nothing. Throughout the pages 240-308, many people interact with Octavian with very different perspectives regarding freedom and lack there of. How is it that Octavian's own self respect fluctuates with outside opinions, early on in his life?
Even through all of Octavian's studies, knowledge and great intelligence, Octavian still belittle's himself. This is the sad case of slavery and racism. However, while Octavian is on the run he interacts with others who feel for him and see his worth. On page 241, a woman farmer tells Octavian there is no work for him, but shows sympathy due to his "gaping and simple-looking" physical state. Octavian knows he is intelligent and deep down knows that people who treat him terribly are wrong. However, his personal intelligence is masked by slavery and color, therefore other's see him as nothing. Another scene in the book, page 243, a man is standing with a gun on Octavian's chest. He states that Octavian was "dead already....there was flatness in this boy and gray; he was already dead." Octavian continues to encounter white people who have no care to see Octavian as a person. Here, brings me to believe that others see Octavian as a quiet and dumb nothing, who doesn't even have worth to keep living. These interactions keep Octavian believing he is nothing. When Octavian meets Private Goring, he encounters a positive perspective towards all people deserving freedom. (On page 252: when Private Goring agrees to take Octavian in to provide guidance and safety) In contrast, on page 308, a very uneducated slave catcher recites his thoughts on returning Octavian to Mr. Sharpe. This letter shows the evilness of racism and slavery and how a very uneducated person can be so evil to another human being, solely because his white skin gives him priority over color and bondage.
How does Octavian's own perspective of himself change throughout the text and how does other's opinions typically affect Octavian's own views of self worth?
-Amelia Richards